Podría goku sin el ultra instinto haber igualado a jiren?

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Re: Podría goku sin el ultra instinto haber igualado a jiren?

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A broly si lo veo difícil que lo supere sin el ultra instinto, es más incluso con el ultra instinto no seria nada para el.

Broly modo ozaru estaba igualado con goku ssj blue con el plus del ultra instinto, después se convierte en ssj y goku no es rival para el, luego gogeta lo obliga a transformarse en ssj legendario y aún así vemos que aguanta.

Este broly debe ser por lejos más fuerte que bills.
En la película y la novela Goku dijo que Broly tal vez sea más fuerte que Beerus, lo que significa que si Broly es más poderoso debe ser por una diferencia mínima porque Goku no está seguro de su superioridad sobre Beerus, yo creo que Goku Ultra Instinto le daría una paliza a Broly de la misma forma que apalizó a Jiren antes de que este tuviera un power up, cuando Jiren también era más fuerte que Beerus.

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Re: Podría goku sin el ultra instinto haber igualado a jiren?

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Soldierofficial escribió:
Dom Jul 07, 2019 3:46 am
rickil-96 escribió:
Dom Jul 07, 2019 2:50 am
A broly si lo veo difícil que lo supere sin el ultra instinto, es más incluso con el ultra instinto no seria nada para el.

Broly modo ozaru estaba igualado con goku ssj blue con el plus del ultra instinto, después se convierte en ssj y goku no es rival para el, luego gogeta lo obliga a transformarse en ssj legendario y aún así vemos que aguanta.

Este broly debe ser por lejos más fuerte que bills.
En la película y la novela Goku dijo que Broly tal vez sea más fuerte que Beerus, lo que significa que si Broly es más poderoso debe ser por una diferencia mínima porque Goku no está seguro de su superioridad sobre Beerus, yo creo que Goku Ultra Instinto le daría una paliza a Broly de la misma forma que apalizó a Jiren antes de que este tuviera un power up, cuando Jiren también era más fuerte que Beerus.
Debo ver la novela xD

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Re: Podría goku sin el ultra instinto haber igualado a jiren?

Mensaje por JYCProducciones2 » Mié Jul 17, 2019 1:00 am

NO, tanto anime y manga dejaron en claro que el marcianito era una maquina de pelea imparable, sin limitaciones ni frenos conocidos y que si no fuera por el UltraInstinto/Miggate No Gokui, seguro Goku acababa siendo el saco de box de Jiren
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Re: Podría goku sin el ultra instinto haber igualado a jiren?

Mensaje por JYCProducciones2 » Mié Jul 17, 2019 1:01 am

rickil-96 escribió:
Mié Jul 10, 2019 3:03 am
Soldierofficial escribió:
Dom Jul 07, 2019 3:46 am
rickil-96 escribió:
Dom Jul 07, 2019 2:50 am
A broly si lo veo difícil que lo supere sin el ultra instinto, es más incluso con el ultra instinto no seria nada para el.

Broly modo ozaru estaba igualado con goku ssj blue con el plus del ultra instinto, después se convierte en ssj y goku no es rival para el, luego gogeta lo obliga a transformarse en ssj legendario y aún así vemos que aguanta.

Este broly debe ser por lejos más fuerte que bills.
En la película y la novela Goku dijo que Broly tal vez sea más fuerte que Beerus, lo que significa que si Broly es más poderoso debe ser por una diferencia mínima porque Goku no está seguro de su superioridad sobre Beerus, yo creo que Goku Ultra Instinto le daría una paliza a Broly de la misma forma que apalizó a Jiren antes de que este tuviera un power up, cuando Jiren también era más fuerte que Beerus.
Debo ver la novela xD
Ya somos 2, tambien quiero ver esa susodicha novela, donde se puede conseguir?

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Re: Podría goku sin el ultra instinto haber igualado a jiren?

Mensaje por LordMusasho » Mié Jul 17, 2019 8:14 am

¿Qué plus del ultra instinto?XD
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Re: Podría goku sin el ultra instinto haber igualado a jiren?

Mensaje por NoSoyUmtiti » Mié Jul 17, 2019 1:38 pm

Es que es eso. Jiren está, según el anime (no recuerdo ahora qué se dice en el manga) bastante por encima de Beerus y seguramente también de Broly. Si esto último fuera así, para que Goku pudiese hacerle frente tendría que llegar a ser nivel Gogeta mínimo. ¿Lo veis viable? Ya cada cual que opine lo que quiera.
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Re: Podría goku sin el ultra instinto haber igualado a jiren?

Mensaje por LordMusasho » Mié Jul 17, 2019 2:36 pm

El tema está, como siempre, en las incoherencias y en las cosas que se pasan por el forro.

En el anime Jiren no es que sea superior a Goku Blue, es que es superior a Goku Blue KKx20 y Super Vegeta Blue juntos, que en teoría son muy superiores a sus formas Blue. En la película ni mencionan estes powerups. ¿Qué poder tiene el SSJ Blue en ella? ¿El Blue del anime? ¿El Blue full power del manga? ¿El Blue KK?

Es el problema de esta serie, que es imposible realizar los cálculos de poder por la inconsistencia de la misma.
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Re: Podría goku sin el ultra instinto haber igualado a jiren?

Mensaje por Soldierofficial » Mié Jul 17, 2019 9:08 pm

rickil-96 escribió:
Mié Jul 10, 2019 3:03 am
Debo ver la novela xD
JYCProducciones2 escribió:
Mié Jul 17, 2019 1:01 am
Ya somos 2, tambien quiero ver esa susodicha novela, donde se puede conseguir?
Acá está parte de la novela en inglés:
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Goku and Vegeta's Fusion Dance training & Frieza vs Broly

Just as they finished their pose, Goku and Vegeta's bodies disappeared while melding together, and with a flash of light a figure had appeared.

”He he! I'm the strongest now!!"

However, the one standing there was just a fatty. His bubbly body might've given off a good vibe, but that was all there was to it.

"No good! Your fingers didn't line up."

The fat fusion of Goku and Vegeta was staggered by Piccolo's observation.

"Try again in 30 minutes!"

"Eeeh!?"

Fusion was a very difficult technique. If the breathing or poses didn't match even in the slightest, regardless of successfully fusing, the resulting individual wouldn't turn out properly. And the fusion cannot be undone for the following 30 minutes. Indeed, if you mess up, you won't be able to do anything for 30 whole minutes.

Compared to earlier, you could say it had gotten a bit better though.

Golden Frieza's punches were able to dull Broly's movements a bit if landed properly, and if he were to throw blows with all of his might, Broly would go for avoiding them. However, that was all he could do.

”Gyaaaaaaaa!"

Frieza continued being a sandbag. However, being able to take Broly's attacks over and over again for over 30 minutes is nothing short of amazing. As expected, he's not called the Emperor of the universe for nothing.

And so, Goku and Vegeta's training to perform fusion resumed after 30 minutes had passed.

"Fuuuu~, sion! Ha!"

The figure that showed up this time around was that of a emaciated individual who could barely stand. Piccolo's ruthless scolding followed instantly.

"No good at all! The angle of your pose was slightly different. Try again in 30 minutes!"

And thus, Frieza's battle continued on for over an hour. However, his stamina was nearing its ends. On the other hand, Broly continued attacking without losing any power as if his stamina were limitless.

Broly did not step any closer. Could he have felt that Frieza no longer had any power left to resist?
As he let out a roar, Broly flared his aura and launched in a completely different location.

"Ugh... splendid... what splendid power!"

It was without a doubt, no being that could've won against this Broly existed. After the beating he had received, this much was clear to him. To Frieza, he represented a potential powerful weapon.

Gogeta vs Broly

"You coward!"

Upon hearing these words coming out of Frieza's mouth, Gogeta replied dumbfounded:

"You're the one to talk!"

Gogeta then touched his forehead with his fingers and disappeared.

The next opponent Broly had chosen was Whis.
So as to take him by surprise, Broly went on a fierce offensive, but Whis was dodging his attacks without difficulty. It wasn't that he was moving swiftly, nor was he using any kind of special technique either. With very normal movements, Whis did not let Broly as much as graze him.

"Over here~!"

With a confident smile, Whis was escaping Broly by fluttering around. Losing his temper, Broly let out a cry as he continued to pursue Whis.

"Oops!”

With lightness that would put Goku and Vegeta's efforts to shame, Whis dodges his roaring punches and sets just enough distance between them to reach out of Broly's range. It's just then that Gogeta appears, planting himself between the two.

"Oh, my!"
"Leave the rest to me, Whis!"

Whis gazed in a peculiar way at Gogeta who had assumed his stance immediately.

"I see, so you two are even capable of fusing!"

Bulma, who was hiding nearby, said: "Oh, it's that fusion thing!"

As soon as Broly laid his eyes on Gogeta, he stopped moving out of caution. Letting out a deep growl, he was glaring at Gogeta. Taking a stance that would remind one of Vegeta, Gogeta shouts to Broly: "Come!"

Kicking at the ground, Gogeta blasts away. In pursuit, Broly disappears like a hurricane. Broly begins firing continuous energy blasts with tremendous force. As he dodges them without problem, Gogeta makes his way to an open field, after which he turns around, grips his fists around his hips and assumes a stance.

"Let's do this! Haaaa..."

Shining golden ki begins to envelop Gogeta's body. As Gogeta's power rises, his aura spreads like a fierce flame and his upright hair assumes a golden glow. However, Broly does not falter. Clenching his fists, he accelerates and plunges in. Due to the opening created by him having just turned Super Saiyan, Gogeta is struck by a clean blow from Broly. Despite being blown away, Gogeta recovers by force and moves in for a counterattack on Broly. Broly gets blown away, but then counterattacks as well.

Just like that, a fierce close range fight had just begun. Both of them endure ground breaking attacks as they continue to strike each other without hesitation. This fierce clash concludes with Gogeta's kick digging into Broly's stomach. After launching Broly into the ground, Gogeta strikes with scattering ki blasts. Engulfed by a rain of ki blasts, Broly tries to stand up as his body shakes. However, that lasted but an instant. Broly gazes towards Gogeta, casts a barrier-like wall of ki around himself, and deflects the ki blasts before rising again.

An even battle continued. As the ferocious fight was unfolding, a cocky smile could be seen on Gogeta's face. Broly's punch connects and Gogeta is sent flying.

But using this to his advantage, the Gogeta who had just gained distance gathers his hands at hip level in preparation for a ki blast stance. In response to that, Broly does the same.

Haaa!!
Gaaa!!

Energy containing the might of a different dimension collides between the two. A flash of light surges as a silent explosion expanded.
The next instant, Gogeta and Broly found themselves within a dimension of swirling strange lights. The boundary of the dimension could not withstand the energy released by them and got torn apart.

Not even bothering with the event that had just happened, Broly charges forward. After a few more exchanges Broly gets blown away by Gogeta's kick, but quickly manages to stop himself mid-air and raise his power as his body begins to shake.

Uuoooooo!!

As Broly releases an explosive ki, his hair begins to glow green. His ki had just shot up even more. However, regardless of that, Gogeta rushed in without wincing.

Gogeta lands a punch on Broly's cheek, but all it does is tilt Broly's head, who then clenches his fist and drives it into Gogeta's belly.

Ugh!

In an instant, Broly proceeds to land a solid kick on the stunned Gogeta. Broly chases after Gogeta, who gets blown away and crashes into the walls of the dimension, and drives his fist into him. As the glittering energy gets smashed and blown into pieces, Gogeta is blown away once more.

Gah!

Firing up, Gogeta's ki had altered. In an instant, the aura surrounding his body had turned from gold to blue.
Broly could not fully react to the freshly turned Super Saiyan Blue Gogeta's movements. Now unable to withstand a punch to the jaw anymore, Broly's posture had been broken as he was getting pushed backwards. Left with no time to counterattack, Broly received a second blow, followed by a third one that drove his body straight into the dim ground.

Still, Broly gets up right away, opens his mouth in an instant and starts launching ki blasts.

As Gogeta ascends after dodging one of them, tens of other ki blasts chase after him. Gogeta handily dodges them, and responds by launching a similar barrage of ki blasts towards Broly.

Gaaah!

As Broly dodges the attack, he makes his way towards Gogeta. After leaving the opposing shock wave, Gogeta rushes towards Broly as well. The instant their punches collided, a chance is once again triggered within the dimension. As the light of the dimension crumbles away, the scenery of the original world returns. Broly and Gogeta land on the ground, keeping at a distance to each other. Unable to fully withstand the momentum of the landing, Broly slips along the ground until he finally stops. Although he had assumed somewhat of a stance, he was breathing heavily.

Hehehe...

On the other hand, it seemed like Gogeta wasn't tired at all. He readied his pose, laying low and observed his opponent. The battle looked like it was about to end.

Cheelay and Lemo were running through the hall of Frieza's ship.
As Lemo was desperately trying to keep up with Cheelay while holding onto the Dragon Balls, he shouts: "At this rate, Broly's going to lose."
Without slowing down, Cheelay looked back at Lemo: "Because of his father, he's been turned into a mere fighting machine. He doesn't fighting because he wants to!". Cheelay then looked ahead and sped up even more. "Broly is truly a pure Saiyan with a gentle heart. I can't let him die!!"

After catching his breath, Broly charged forward as he shrieked.

Goaaaaaah!

No fighting technique or anything like that was at use anymore. Broly kept jumping and kicking the ground before Gogeta. With a smooth footwork however, Gogeta overcomes that by dodging as if sliding around. Knowing that it was no use, Broly turns around and launches an ascending ki blast.

Gogeta reflects it back with a ki barrier created by sliding his hand. After taking his own attack directly, Broly lets out a scream of anguish and tries to blow the smoke away in search of Gogeta. Broly's face is then met by a twirling kick from a spinning Gogeta. As his huge frame bends over, Broly howls.

Gogeta lands further away and creates a ki blast in each hand before running towards Broly. Noticing this, Broly gathers power inside his body and then releases a mouth blast. The haphazardly discharged immense energy blows away the surrounding terrain. Having seen through this, Gogeta easily dodges and then launches the ki blasts straight into Broly's back. A fierce explosion engulfs Broly. Just to make sure, Gogeta then launches countless ki blasts at him.
Through the explosion's shine, the image of a Broly that struggled and suffered could be seen.

Gogeta then plants his legs, raises his arm and creates a much denser ki blast. Broly just looked at Gogeta as the latter launched his attack. Together with a massive explosion, Broly's cry resounded.

"Guuuaaaaaaaaaaah...."

As Gogeta let out a 'phew', he was quickly taken aback by the sudden darkening of his surroundings.

The seven Dragon Ball that were laying on the ground let out a dazzling glow, followed by the apparition of the enormous Shenron who rose to the sky.

"T-that's..."

Frieza gazed at the sky surprised.

Shenron coiled his enormous body as he soared to the skies, and with a voice as if roaring from the abyss, he said: "I will grant you any one wish..."

"And now? What am I supposed to do?" Cheelai asked Kikono with a dreadful voice as her gun was pointing into his back.

Cheelai and Lemo pretended to deliver the Dragon Ball and took Kikono hostage. Never would he have thought that they would do something like that. Landing the spaceship and calling Shenron forth was easier than expected. As Kikono was staring silently, Cheelai said in an angered tone: "Hurry up and say it already!". Feeling the barrel of the gun pressing him harder, Kikono frowned.

"I've had enough. I'll shoot you!"
"Alright, I'll tell you!"

Kikono hastily took out his memo, looks over it and answers.

"J-just state your wish..."

With a disappointed expression on her face, Cheelay mutters: "What... that's all?". Afterwards, Cheelay closes her eyes and after thinking about the wish she raises her eyes towards Shenron.

"My wish is!"

With a tremendous shout, Broly blows away the flames that were engulfing him. Afterwards, letting out a ferocious growl he goes low and dashes forward leaving behind a shock wave.

But even after seeing that Gogeta did not move. Just as Broly's kick was about to hit, Gogeta softly ascends and then comes down with a counter kick. Broly blocks it by crossing his arms, but since his side was wide open Gogeta lands a direct roundhouse kick on him.

Broly gets blown away, but as he lands he readies his stance in order to launch a ki blast. Gogeta dodges the massive energy blast coming his way by simply leaning back with half his body, and then dashes instantly towards Broly with a punch.

As Broly is being blown away, he launches a volley of continuous ki blasts from his palm. Gogeta easily dodges them and then begins a continuous assault of punches on Broly.

Gogeta pulls back from the now swirling Broly, crosses his arms and raises his ki. Astonished at the surging pressure, Broly used what power he had left to prepare to intercept him.

Gogeta and Broly's fists collided. The sheer pressure of their clash blows away the surroundings and lava erupts from the ground. Broly could be seen screaming as if crying for help as he had been blown away by the impact. His hair had turned back golden and his facial expression was distorted with pain.

Gogeta pursued him instantly, and drove a fist packed with enough ki straight into Broly's stomach. As Broly is blown away, he moves in and lands another hit. He then accelerates and drives a fist charged with compressed ki into him.

Entrapped by Gogeta's ki, Broly's body starts trembling as if electrocuted and rises into the air. Together with a shout, Gogeta detonates all the ki that was gathered inside of Broly's body. The pale energy that was seeping out of Broly's body caused a giant explosion.

The resulting shock wave could be felt all the way to the high ground where Bulma had taken refuge and had been watching the battle unfold with Whis.

"Amazing!" Whis said with praise. "I believe this should settle the match."

Meanwhile, Gogeta had assumed the charging pose of the Kamehameha. Gogeta lowers his waist and gathers his hands together around hip level.

"Ka~~~~~~~"

Between his cupped hands, a sparkling ball of ki began to form and gradually increase in size.

"Me~~~~~~~"

On the other side of the dust that was being blown away by the wind, a Broly who was tumbling as he tried to get up could be seen.

”Ha~~~~~~~ Me~~~~~~~"

Having completely lost the will to fight, Broly began to mumble in fear.

"A... A... A..."

"HAAA~~~~~~~!!"

The Kamehameha Gogeta had launched was shaking the very ground. As the light holding catastrophic levels of power approached Broly, all he could do was cower in fear.

Just then! "Please send Broly back to the planet from where he came from!" Cheelay's words resounded as she shouted. In an instant of motionlessness, Shenron made Broly disappear.

After Gogeta finished firing off his Kamehameha, an expression of surprise could be seen on his face as he witnessed Broly disappear in a flash of light. That light had instantly crossed a long distance and reached a planet with a rather rugged landscape. That planet was Planet Vampa.

When he came to realize, Broly was sitting by himself in a terribly familiar place. That dreadful enemy was no longer around. That unpleasant white guy was no where to be seen either. His whole body hurt, so much that he couldn't even breathe. But even so... Overlooking the nostalgic landscape before him, Broly thought... Even so, Broly was free.

The reaction of Beerus

It was already sunset, the day was nearing its end.

Beerus was sitting with his legs crossed, gazing in the direction of the water continent as the little Bulla was playing on his knee.

"Yes... It seems they somehow managed."

Goku visits Broly on Planet Vampa

"Also, these are Senzu Beans. Have two! Eat one of them when you're in trouble or feel that you're about to die. It can't take of diseases, but it'll heal all your injuries and replenish your stamina."

As Cheelay was listening, she gave Goku a distrustful look.

"What're you up to?"

"Nothing. I just want him to have a good life."

Cheelay and Lemo raise their eyebrows and exclaim in unison: "Huh?"

Goku laid his hand over Broly's shoulder.

"I was pretty confident in my own strengh, but then the stronger Broly showed up. And what's more, he's Saiyan, just like me. He's probably even stronger than Beerus. And Beerus is a God!"

Just then, over at Bulma's mansion Beerus let out a big sneeze but Goku had no way of knowing about that.

"Anyway, I can't let such an amazing guy bite the dust. It would be a waste!"

Broly let a little smile slip as it seemed that he had understood Goku's words.

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Re: Podría goku sin el ultra instinto haber igualado a jiren?

Mensaje por Gogetavsvegeto » Mié Sep 02, 2020 2:06 pm

Hola, siento levantar un tema tan viejo. Tp lo veo un problema en vista de lo muerto que veo que está el foro pero bueno, eso ya es otro tema. Siempre he visto mucha bronca con el tema de levantar temas antiguos, pero oye, el tema que está más abajo en este página tiene una sola respuesta y creo q es de hace 5 meses

Estaba haciendo un repaso de temas antiguos por curiosidad y este me llamo la atención.

Yo creo que Goku si puede alcanzar y superar a Jiren con entrenamiento. Es más, goku ya ha superado a jiren alcanzando el ultra instinto Y destrozando a jiren en el combate final. Si lo llega a tener dominado al 100% no deja ni un átomo de jiren de la somanta de hostias que le mete cuando jiren intenta matar a los guerreros Z. Todo esto consiguió mediante entrenamiento durante toda su vida.

Que es lo bueno de goku? Yo considero que es la capacidad de sacrificio y esfuerzo igual que Vegeta y diría que más aunque últimamente nos han hecho creer lo contrario. Recordemos que goku cuando nace no es nadie en comparación a vegeta y mediante entrenamiento y un esfuerzo descomunal durante toda su vida es el primero en alcanzar ssj, ssj3, ssj4 God, blue, ultra instinto (un poder que ni los Dioses saben controlar). Dale tiempo a goku y al final es capaz de superar a cualquier rival

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Re: Podría goku sin el ultra instinto haber igualado a jiren?

Mensaje por rickil-96 » Jue Sep 03, 2020 3:13 pm

Gogetavsvegeto escribió:
Mié Sep 02, 2020 2:06 pm
Hola, siento levantar un tema tan viejo. Tp lo veo un problema en vista de lo muerto que veo que está el foro pero bueno, eso ya es otro tema. Siempre he visto mucha bronca con el tema de levantar temas antiguos, pero oye, el tema que está más abajo en este página tiene una sola respuesta y creo q es de hace 5 meses

Estaba haciendo un repaso de temas antiguos por curiosidad y este me llamo la atención.

Yo creo que Goku si puede alcanzar y superar a Jiren con entrenamiento. Es más, goku ya ha superado a jiren alcanzando el ultra instinto Y destrozando a jiren en el combate final. Si lo llega a tener dominado al 100% no deja ni un átomo de jiren de la somanta de hostias que le mete cuando jiren intenta matar a los guerreros Z. Todo esto consiguió mediante entrenamiento durante toda su vida.

Que es lo bueno de goku? Yo considero que es la capacidad de sacrificio y esfuerzo igual que Vegeta y diría que más aunque últimamente nos han hecho creer lo contrario. Recordemos que goku cuando nace no es nadie en comparación a vegeta y mediante entrenamiento y un esfuerzo descomunal durante toda su vida es el primero en alcanzar ssj, ssj3, ssj4 God, blue, ultra instinto (un poder que ni los Dioses saben controlar). Dale tiempo a goku y al final es capaz de superar a cualquier rival
La analogia con vegeta no la habia tomado en cuenta xD

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